Ok, some of you may have heard the buzz. Yes, it is true there are talks with Clueless But we're not at the point where we leave all we have behind and suddenly decide to run into their loving arms >_>

Foggle and I have been talking (and raiding) with them yesterday about the possibilities of joint-raiding, merging, shoplifting, making love and many other points our guilds could do together, but in the end we came to this question we pose our both guilds:

Are you willing to do joint raiding with Clueless to Gruul's Lair, Magtheridon's Lair, Serpentshrine Cavern and beyond?

It seems that alone we are good, but miss the determination of some people to do a succesful 25-man raid. Together with Clueless, we can easily do all that we want!

Looting? We'll get to that later. We've worked out some sort of system ofc, but I'm still working on whether or not to use DKP or to go with what we use in Karazhan (since we're going to supply approximatly half a raid, which is hardly more then a kara run in members), but discussion is open and welcome!

--- Note for "today", 25/9/07
I ask you to either come on TS to discuss it with me if you have questions, I'm on until later tonight, or leave a message here with your opinion.

If we can, we'll have a guild-debate on TS and the guild chat about this, starting at 17:00 GT, ending at 19:30~20:00, so that anyone can have a say.

Might not be a bad idea. Let the better geared ppl go to Gruul's with Clueless and the other ppl just do Kara to better gear them. At the moment we have a problem to fill both raids with the right kind of classes anyways.

well i am willing to go With clueless, eventhough i got a tight schedual atm due to work. But it seems like a nice chance to see more Content. If it`s possible to Atleast see Gruul and Maggy dead at my feet i am happy. And SSC and further would be a bonus in my opinion.

And like Mudeki sais we are having some probs in getting some classes to Kara at certain days, so we should be able to get a sort of schedual in raiding.

that means we will only have 1 raidgroup for karazhan? and some guys that go for gruul with clueless? we could as well do an imba group for karazhan with the guys that go gruul with clueless, that they make a group with clueless for karazhan, just to farm it in 2-3 days...

idea is to do the 25 man with Clueless to Gruul. and the 10 man with Vengeance. Since we do Karazhan in 2-3 nights, we have about 2-3 nights to plan and raid the other instances.

the current plan evolves around the idea that both clueless and vengeance supply about half the raid each time we go. One night its 12 from vengeance, the other 13.

When it comes to Karazhan, we'll just keep doing that with Vengeance people. If there are some bored people in Clueless that want to tag along to Kara, no problemo, but we're not doing joint raids to a 10-man instance with another guild, unless we really have to O_o

Gruul nights are now set on Monday and Wednesday. So certain people will do HK Maulgar and some will do Gruul himself (me included). When we progress well in Gruul, we'll go to Magtheridon's Lair and Serpentshrine Cavern. This does, however, include the idea that people prepare for raids. There will be no invite if you have not been reading up on tactics, explored possibilities, asked questions... stuff like that. So the key here is to come prepared! If you are not, its a no-go! Remember!

i can only do wednesdays, not mondays

i can co mostly expcept comming monday monday sucks for me its my home night for my darts always have to play then (its once every 2 weeks @ the home pub so yeah monday sucks xD)